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	<title>Journalism.co.uk Editors&#039; Blog &#187; Roy Greenslade</title>
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		<title>What does PCC Iain Dale ruling bode for Jan Moir case?</title>
		<link>http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/editors/2009/11/06/what-does-pcc-iain-dale-ruling-bode-for-jan-moir-case/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Judith Townend</dc:creator>
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As noted a short while ago, the Press Complaints Commission ruled that it had found a Daily Mail diary piece about potential Conservative candidate Iain Dale not to be in breach of the PCC code. &#8220;I still think it was a clear breach of Section 12 [discrimination] of the PCC code.  I quite agree with [...]]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/editors/2009/11/06/pcc-rules-daily-mail-not-in-breach-of-code-over-iain-dale-diary-piece/" target="_blank">As noted a short while ago</a>, the Press Complaints Commission ruled that it had found a Daily Mail diary piece about potential Conservative candidate Iain Dale not to be in breach of the PCC code. &#8220;I still think it was a clear breach of Section 12 [discrimination] of the PCC code.  I quite agree with what they say about the right to offend, but this was gratuitous and it was the second time it had happened,&#8221; Iain Dale told Journalism.co.uk.</p>
<p>&#8220;I have no idea if it affected my chances in Bracknell [constituency where Dale was competing for the Conservative candidacy], but it certainly wouldn’t have helped. It seems clear to me now that the PCC will reach the same judgment in the Jan Moir case.&#8221;</p>
<p>Meanwhile, <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2009/nov/06/pcc-dailymail" target="_blank">Guardian blogger Roy Greenslade, who agrees with the PCC ruling on this occasion</a>, &#8216;imagine[s] that the commission will take the same view about <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/oct/16/stephen-gately-boyzone">Jan Moir&#8217;s column</a>, which was far more offensive than Ephraim&#8217;s remarks about Dale&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>Brighton Argus recruiting police community bloggers; PCSO Sam Justice among them</title>
		<link>http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/editors/2009/11/05/brighton-argus-recruiting-police-community-bloggers-pcso-sam-justice-among-them/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Judith Townend</dc:creator>
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It&#8217;s nearly an entry for the Radio 4 &#8216;Sorry I Haven&#8217;t A Clue&#8217;  Late Arrivals game, and definitely a candidate for PopBitch&#8217;s &#8216;Favourite&#8217; feature: PCSO Sam Justice is among the new police community support officer bloggers recruited by the Brighton Argus.
As reported very speedily by Sarah Hartley this morning, Newsquest&#8217;s Brighton Argus plans to use [...]]]></description>
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<p>It&#8217;s nearly an entry for the Radio 4 <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_on_I%27m_Sorry_I_Haven%27t_a_Clue#Late_Arrivals_.28at_a_society_ball.29" target="_blank">&#8216;Sorry I Haven&#8217;t A Clue&#8217;  Late Arrivals game</a>, and definitely a candidate for <a href="http://www.popbitch.com/home/" target="_blank">PopBitch&#8217;s</a> &#8216;Favourite&#8217; feature: <a href="http://www.theargus.co.uk/communitypages/kemp_town/correspondents/" target="_blank"><strong>PCSO Sam Justice</strong></a> is among the new police community support officer bloggers recruited by the Brighton Argus.</p>
<p>As reported very speedily <a href="http://sarahhartley.wordpress.com/2009/11/05/pcsos-recruited-to-newspaper-hyperlocal-initiative/" target="_blank">by Sarah Hartley</a> this morning, Newsquest&#8217;s Brighton Argus plans to use community police officers to cover local beats for <a href="http://www.theargus.co.uk/communitypages/" target="_blank">its hyperlocal network.</a></p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m hoping the contributions to the site will start becoming really varied, a mixture of people hoping to cut their journalistic teeth, the community figures who have always reported on their neighbourhoods in some shape or form, and those who want somewhere to get their voices and stories heard,&#8221; web editor Jo Wadsworth told Journalism.co.uk.</p>
<p><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-15675" title="brightonbeach" src="http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/editors/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/brightonbeach.jpg" alt="brightonbeach" width="300" height="240" />And if she&#8217;s looking for more contributors, Journalism.co.uk would highly recommend <a href="http://demand.five.tv/Series.aspx?seriesBaseName=BrightonBeachPatrol" target="_blank">checking out Channel 5&#8217;s Brighton Beach Patrol</a>, featuring some wonderful characters we&#8217;ve been looking out for ever since [<a href="http://demand.five.tv/Series.aspx?seriesBaseName=BrightonBeachPatrol" target="_blank">show pictured left</a>].</p>
<p>Wadsworth has been building up the community correspondent network for a while: around six months ago, students from <a href="http://www.journalistworks.co.uk/journalism-courses.html" target="_blank">Brighton Journalist Works</a> were brought on board. Students upload weekly vox pop video interviews with members of the public and three students run a <a href="http://www.theargus.co.uk/blogs/blogs/see/4690964.SEE___Meet_the_team_/" target="_blank">weekly fashion blog</a>.</p>
<p>Earlier in the year <a href="http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/editors/2009/04/20/greenslade-putting-my-hyperlocal-money-where-my-hyperlocal-mouth-is/" target="_blank">she recruited &#8211; with a little egging-on from Journalism.co.uk &#8211; Guardian media blogger Roy Greenslade</a> as a Kemp Town community correspondent, <a href="http://www.theargus.co.uk/communitypages/kemp_town/4718844.Farewell_to_the_I_Go_Inn___/" target="_blank">whose latest post can be viewed here</a>.</p>
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		<title>Jan Moir denies column is homophobic; criticises &#8216;mischievous&#8217; and &#8216;heavily orchestrated internet campaign&#8217;</title>
		<link>http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/editors/2009/10/16/jan-moir-denies-column-is-homophobic-criticises-mischievous-and-heavily-orchestrated-internet-campaign/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Judith Townend</dc:creator>
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The Daily Mail has released a statement from their columnist, Jan Moir, about her Stephen Gately article, originally titled &#8216;Why there was nothing ‘natural’ about Stephen Gately’s death&#8217; that is unlikely to appease her critics.
Journalism.co.uk is reproducing some of its contents here, but that is by no means an endorsement of her response. For a [...]]]></description>
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<p>The Daily Mail has released a statement from their columnist, Jan Moir, about her <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1220756/A-strange-lonely-troubling-death--.html" target="_blank">Stephen Gately article</a>, originally titled &#8216;Why there was nothing ‘natural’ about Stephen Gately’s death&#8217; that is unlikely to appease her critics.</p>
<p>Journalism.co.uk is reproducing some of its contents here, but that is by no means an endorsement of her response. For a full background on the complaints and criticism Moir received see <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2009/oct/16/dailymail-stephen-gately" target="_blank">this post by Roy Greenslade on Media Guardian</a> and <a href="http://www.nma.co.uk/mail-online-removes-ads-from-jan-moir-column-following-uproar/3005628.article" target="_blank">this article on New Media Age</a>.</p>
<p>The Mail has pulled the advertising around the story, <a href="http://www.nma.co.uk/mail-online-removes-ads-from-jan-moir-column-following-uproar/3005628.article" target="_blank">NMA reports</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Some people, particularly in the gay community, have been upset by my article about the sad death of Boyzone member Stephen Gately. This was never my intention. Stephen, as I pointed out in the article was a charming and sweet man who entertained millions,&#8221; Moir said.</p>
<p>&#8220;However, the point of my column &#8211; which, I wonder how many of the people complaining have fully read &#8211; was to suggest that, in my honest opinion,  his death raises many unanswered questions,&#8221; she goes on.</p>
<p>Moir then again speculates about facts surrounding his death; Journalism.co.uk will leave it to someone else to publish that part.</p>
<p>&#8220;The entire matter of his sudden death seemed to have been handled with undue haste when lessons could have been learned. On this subject, one very  important point,&#8221; she squirms.</p>
<p>&#8220;When I wrote that &#8216;he would want to set an example to any  impressionable young men who may want to emulate what they might see as his glamorous routine&#8217; &#8230; [More allegations follow].</p>
<p>And squirms:</p>
<p>&#8220;Not to the fact of his homosexuality.  In writing that &#8216;it strikes another blow to the happy-ever-after myth of civil partnerships&#8217; I was suggesting that civil partnerships &#8211; the introduction of which I am on the record in supporting &#8211; have proved just to be as problematic as marriages.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s more:</p>
<p>&#8220;In what is clearly a heavily orchestrated internet campaign I think it is mischievous in the extreme to suggest that my article has homophobic and bigoted undertones.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>&#8216;Individualised&#8217; newspapers launched at Ifra Expo 2009</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Harriet Massing</dc:creator>
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You might think now is not the right economic climate in which to launch a new print title, but digital document management company Océ and founder of the Digital Newspaper Network, is taking its chances with a new venture, &#8216;niiu&#8217;.
The premise is that readers  choose the content: niiu will publish different news and blog [...]]]></description>
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<p>You might think now is not the right economic climate in which to launch a new print title, but digital document management company Océ and founder of the Digital Newspaper Network, is taking its chances with a new venture, &#8216;niiu&#8217;.</p>
<p>The premise is that readers  choose the content: niiu will publish different news and blog stories online and users select their favourites to go into  a personalised paper,  delivered to its subscribers daily. It&#8217;s a concept Océ has patented, it states.</p>
<p>The team thinks that print will attract its audience: &#8220;Even young people prefer to read on paper. With the niuu concept we bridge the gap betweek web and print,&#8221; said co-founder of niuu Wanja S. Oberhof, in a press release.</p>
<p>Berlin is the first market for niiu, but it plans to expand the concept to other places, such as Hamburg or Munich, he said.</p>
<p><strong>Online-print precedent</strong></p>
<p>Another example of online-to-print has been launched in beta <a href="http://theblogpaper.co.uk/about" target="_blank">by TheBlogPaper</a>. Its idea is to publish blogs, photos and comments on the website and put the highest rated and most discussed content into a printed paper newspaper.</p>
<p>French site and publication <a href="http://vendredi.info/" target="_blank">Vendredi.info</a> also publishes online material in print, but both these models produce one version, not individualised content.</p>
<p>Niuu launched its first issues on Tuesday (October 13), at the Océ stand <a href="http://www.ifraexpo.com/website/website.nsf/html/CONT_EXPO2009?OpenDocument&amp;EX08V&amp;E&amp;" target="_blank">at the Ifra Expo 2009 newspaper exhibition in Vienna</a>. It hopes to gain 5000 subscribers within the first six months.</p>
<p>It launches at 1.80 euros per issue, with a reduced price for students. Or a pre-pay voucher of 45 euros  is available.</p>
<p>Whether it will be a gimmick or goer remains to be seen. <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2009/oct/14/newspapers-germany" target="_blank">Guardian media blogger Roy Greenslade has strong doubts</a>.</p>
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		<title>Simon Kelner remembers his days on the Neath Guardian in its last issue</title>
		<link>http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/editors/2009/10/01/simon-kelner-remembers-his-days-on-the-neath-guardian-in-its-last-issue/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 11:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Judith Townend</dc:creator>
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As reported last week, the weekly Neath Guardian owned by Trinity Mirror is to close, and in its last issue, Simon Kelner, editor-in chief of the Independent and the Independent on Sunday reflects on his days at the newspaper.
&#8220;It seems inconceivable that a town whose people thrive on knowing what&#8217;s going on, who make it [...]]]></description>
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<p>As reported last week, the weekly Neath Guardian owned by Trinity Mirror <a href="http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/editors/2009/09/24/13-2-jobs-to-go-at-trinity-mirrors-media-wales-nuj-members-to-hold-strike-ballot/" target="_blank">is to close</a>, and in its last issue, Simon Kelner, editor-in chief of the Independent and the Independent on Sunday reflects on his days at the newspaper.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;It seems inconceivable that a town whose people thrive on knowing what&#8217;s going on, who make it their business to know everyone else&#8217;s business, will have no town crier.</p>
<p>&#8220;Hard though it may be to believe in this multi-media age, but the Guardian once occupied a central role in the life of the town, and sold (yes, sold) upwards of 10,000 copies a week.&#8221;</p>
</blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2009/sep/30/local-newspapers-trinity-mirror">Roy Greenslade reproduces the article on his Guardian blog&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>Roy Greenslade: British journalism is in crisis and time is running out</title>
		<link>http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/editors/2009/09/24/roy-greenslade-british-journalism-is-in-crisis-and-time-is-running-out/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Judith Townend</dc:creator>
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A powerful plea from Roy Greenslade over at MediaGuardian today:
&#8220;Is anybody out there listening properly? Do enough people care? Are journalists themselves sticking their heads in the sand?
&#8220;We are not facing a momentous crisis in journalism. We are already in a crisis that is putting the central public service aspect of our role in jeopardy.&#8221;

In [...]]]></description>
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<p>A powerful plea from Roy Greenslade over at MediaGuardian today:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Is anybody out there listening properly? Do enough people care? Are journalists themselves sticking their heads in the sand?</p>
<p>&#8220;We are not facing a momentous crisis in journalism. We are already in a crisis that is putting the central public service aspect of our role in jeopardy.&#8221;</p>
</blockquote>
<p>In a follow-on from <a href="http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-business/article-23747510-details/imminent-deal-could-be-a-major-fillip-after-years-of-under-reporting-of-local-law-courts-and-councils/article.do" target="_blank">his column in the London Evening Standard</a> in which he claimed there was possibility of charity funding to back public service reporting by the Press Association,  he emphasises the need for speedy rescue measures.</p>
<p>And he&#8217;s enthusiastic about non-commercial models:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The reason I&#8217;m in favour of not-for-profit journalism, whether funded by charity or, at arm&#8217;s length, by state bodies, is that it breaks the link with commercialism.</p>
<p>&#8220;That&#8217;s a vital first step in the reinvention of journalism. What we need is a preservation of the old until the new emerges. We cannot afford to let the old die before the new is in place.&#8221;</p>
</blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2009/sep/24/downturn-mediabusiness">Full post at this link&#8230;</a></p>
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<li><a href="http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/editors/2009/10/29/crisis-or-no-crisis-speakers-divided-on-whether-the-journalism-glass-has-anything-left-in-it/" rel="bookmark" title="October 29, 2009">Crisis or no crisis? Speakers divided on whether the journalism glass has anything left in it</a></li>
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<li><a href="http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/editors/2009/05/19/journalism-in-crisis-09-reporting-from-the-university-of-westminster/" rel="bookmark" title="May 19, 2009">Journalism in Crisis 09: Reporting from the University of Westminster</a></li>
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		<title>Journalism: an aspiration solely for the elite?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chie Elliott</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Journalism]]></category>
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The all-party report led by former cabinet minister Alan Milburn, has triggered a nationwide debate on issues of social mobility and whether social class divides can be overcome to provide equal career opportunities to all. Journalists found their profession branded &#8216;one of the most exclusive middle-class professions&#8217;. The industry was urged to provide financial support [...]]]></description>
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<p>The all-party <a href="http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/strategy/work_areas/accessprofessions.aspx">report</a> led by former cabinet minister Alan Milburn, has triggered a nationwide debate on issues of social mobility and whether social class divides can be overcome to provide equal career opportunities to all. Journalists found their profession branded &#8216;one of the most exclusive middle-class professions&#8217;. The industry was urged to provide financial support to interns from less wealthy backgrounds and adopt a best practice code.</p>
<p>Media organisations were accused of recruiting trainee journalists for internships for as long as one year, without payment, as a means of filling staffing gaps instead of providing appropriate training. The unpaid placements automatically filtered out students to only those who could afford the experience, usually middle class ones, or those willing to incur massive debts.</p>
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<li>The National Union of Journalists immediately welcomed the outcomes of the report and heralded the best practice code for internships as &#8216;<a href="http://www.nuj.org.uk/innerPagenuj.html?docid=1299">a first step in tackling bogus work experience</a>&#8216;. The union has been <a href="http://www.nuj.org.uk/innerPagenuj.html?docid=1296">campaigning</a> for years against exploitation of work experience placements, proposing the payment of a minimum wage to students on training. Speaking in a release issued earlier in the week, the NUJ general secretary Jeremy Dear said that the report &#8217;shows how the use of unpaid internships has undermined the diversity of our profession&#8217;. &#8220;Too many employers see internships as a way of getting work done for free, without any thought towards their responsibilities to provide would-be journalists with a learning opportunity.&#8221;</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>In his Guardian blog, <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2009/jul/21/newspapers">Roy Greenslade</a> talked about his humble beginnings as a working-class journalist, alongside others of the same social class at regional newspapers until he was struck by the class divide between the middle-class broadsheets and the working-class tabloids in Fleet Street. Although boundaries are now less obvious between the papers, higher tuition fees at universities meant education was dearer, and less accessible. As journalism became increasingly popular in the 1990s, degree holders were preferred over school-leavers, starting the unfair selection process which favoured the middle class.</li>
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<p>A report in 2006 by the Sutton Trust [<a href="http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&amp;source=web&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=1&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.suttontrust.com%2Freports%2FJournalists-backgrounds-final-report.pdf&amp;ei=xIlpSoDkCJmOjAfihr2eCw&amp;usg=AFQjCNE98hzKVWQf1xd_P24msxXin5vS7g&amp;sig2=lZPFlXYY48DP92BAdz9Lgg" target="_blank">PDF at this link</a>] showed that more than half of editorial posts at leading national newspapers had been educated at private schools, that is to say, middle class. As middle-class senior editors tend to appoint others like themselves, birds of a different, less privileged feather cannot find a way into the flock.</p>
<p>The Milburn report also pointed out that &#8216;qualification inflation&#8217; is a barrier towards equal social opportunities. If once an academic degree or an MA were considered desirable for a career in journalism, some people, <a href="http://blogs.pressgazette.co.uk/editor/2009/07/23/access-to-journalism-for-all-ten-tips-for-a-school-leaver/" target="_blank">such as Press Gazette&#8217;s Dominic Ponsford</a>, believe it is not the case any more as theoretical courses often do not provide the practical skills needed in a &#8216;real&#8217; newsroom.</p>
<p>Degrees do not come cheap. Whereas a full-time <a href="http://www.city.ac.uk/journalism/courses/fees.html">MA at City University</a> will set back an aspiring journalist by £8,000, a number of institutions offer <a href="http://www.nctj.com/course_introduction.php?journal_id=journal_id&amp;PHPSESSID=e6aa0c0d39f8c4ac5502d93858df3ce2">NCTJ-accredited courses</a> of much shorter length.</p>
<p>The Brighton Journalist Works, for instance, offers a <a href="http://www.journalistworks.co.uk/journalists-courses.html">10-week fast-track course leading to a Certificate in Production Journalism</a> for £3,600. Journalist Works MD Paula O&#8217;Shea, who set it up in April 2007 in The Argus&#8217; Brighton offices, says the course is intense as it exposes students to as many hours as they would in an academic year on an MA, but <a href="http://www.journalistworks.co.uk/nctj-testimonials.html">graduates had landed jobs</a> at The Argus, Johnston Press, Time Out, local TV stations and B2B magazines.</p>
<p>There is recourse for students who could not afford the fast-track course: &#8220;Our course is accredited by the Learning and Skills Council, so students can apply for a career development loan (www.direct.gov.uk) or the Journalism Diversity Fund (www.journalismdiverstityfund.co.uk),&#8221; says O&#8217;Shea.</p>
<p>A lack of diversity in news media could pose a problem for journalism, says Charlie Beckett, director of the journalism think-tank Polis. &#8220;If the news media is not diverse then it will not reflect the wider population,&#8221; he says <a href="http://www.charliebeckett.org/?p=1626">in his blog</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;At a time of crisis in the industry and the wider economy, that is not a good thing economically, let alone politically.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here is Beckett, interviewed on Channel 4 News:</p>
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<p><strong>Useful links:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8160052.stm">&#8216;Glass ceiling blocking top jobs&#8217; (BBC)</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.suttontrust.com/newsarchive2006-7.asp#a027">Over half of country’s journalists went to private school (Sutton Trust report, 2006)</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&amp;storycode=34562">&#8216;Toffs at the top&#8217; (Press Gazette) – summary of the Sutton Trust survey</a> results</li>
</ul>
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<li><a href="http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/editors/2009/08/03/guardian-government-launches-inquiry-into-work-experience-exploitation-during-recession/" rel="bookmark" title="August 3, 2009">Guardian: Government launches inquiry into work experience exploitation during recession</a></li>
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		<title>Oh the irony&#8230; were the Australian&#8217;s subs trying to tell us something?</title>
		<link>http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/editors/2009/07/03/oh-the-irony-were-the-australians-subs-trying-to-tell-us-something/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Judith Townend</dc:creator>
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Australian newspapers aren&#8217;t finding it as tough as many of their US and UK counterparts, John Hartigan, the chairman and chief executive of News Ltd, claimed in a speech on Wednesday. Roy Greenslade picked up on the Murdoch-owned Australian newspaper&#8217;s report that the nation&#8217;s print publications are &#8216;holding up well&#8217;.
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<p>Australian newspapers aren&#8217;t finding it as tough as many of their US and UK counterparts, John Hartigan, the chairman and chief executive of News Ltd, claimed <a href="http://mumbrella.com.au/hartigan-journalism-not-the-limited-intellectual-value-of-blogs-is-the-future-of-the-web-7306" target="_blank">in a speech</a> on Wednesday. <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade" target="_blank">Roy Greenslade</a> picked up on the Murdoch-owned <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,25720795-7582,00.html" target="_blank">Australian newspaper&#8217;s report</a> that the nation&#8217;s print publications are &#8216;holding up well&#8217;.</p>
<p>But we feel he missed the best bit. As <a href="http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/07/03/crikey-says-34/" target="_blank">Crikey.com.au flagged up</a> in its daily newsletter, there was something a little odd about a print headline in the paper on July 2 (helpfully highlighted here <a href="http://mumbrella.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/john-hartigan-australian.jpg" target="_blank">by Mumbrella.com.au</a> &#8211; hat-tip <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/blackadder" target="_blank">@BlackAdder</a>). This, courtesy of Crikey:</p>
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<p>Also see Crikey&#8217;s comments on the speech / report here (registration required):</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://blogs.crikey.com.au/purepoison/2009/07/01/hartigan-on-old-and-new-media/" target="_blank">&#8216;Hartigan on old and new media&#8217;</a></li>
<li> <a href="http://blogs.crikey.com.au/trevorcook/2009/07/02/hartigan-and-the-future-of-newspapers/" target="_blank">&#8216;Hartigan and the future of newspapers&#8217;</a></li>
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<p><a href="http://mumbrella.com.au/news-ltd-boss-hartigan-sites-like-crikey-and-mumbrella-are-less-than-10-original-7294" target="_blank">And links and commentary from Mumbrella here</a>.</p>
<p>Oh, and you can &#8216;Marc the deth of newpapers with this stilish Crikey tee shiort. Avilable now fom the <a href="http://www.redbubble.com/people/crikeyshop/t-shirts/3356455-2-reports-of-newpapers-deaths-are-exaggerated?source=cmailer" target="_blank">Crickley shop</a>.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>It&#8217;s old-fashioned journalism from the bunker and there&#8217;s more to come, says Telegraph</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 09:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Judith Townend</dc:creator>
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So who wants the films rights to MPs&#8217; expenses? It&#8217;s on a far less grave subject, but maybe it will be like the 9/11 films; the aftermath still permeating society, when the scripts are sold and production started. The next general election may not even have happened. Gordon Brown could still be Prime Minister. Just.
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<p>So who wants the films rights to MPs&#8217; expenses? It&#8217;s on a far less grave subject, but maybe it will be like the 9/11 films; the aftermath still permeating society, when the scripts are sold and production started. The next general election may not even have happened. Gordon Brown could still be Prime Minister. Just.</p>
<p>Or perhaps (Sir? &#8216;Lord&#8217; is less likely given the target) Will Lewis&#8217; memoirs will have been on sale for a while first, before the 21st century&#8217;s equivalent of &#8216;All the President&#8217;s Men&#8217; is released, to allow the dust to settle.</p>
<p>Whichever way, this archetypal British plot is the stuff of a (Working Title, maybe) director&#8217;s dream; even if the journalism itself is markedly not Watergate, as most hardened investigative hacks and other journalists at rival titles are quick to point out. The gate of significance in this story is the one at the end of the second home&#8217;s garden path. No Deep Throat, just Deep Pockets.</p>
<p>A small group of privileged Telegraph journalists has been embedded from early till late in what&#8217;s apparently known as &#8216;the bunker&#8217; &#8211; a room separate from the main newsroom, away from the <a href="http://www.journalism.co.uk/13/articles/532344.php" target="_blank">&#8216;hub and spokes&#8217;</a>, <a href="http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/editors/2009/02/25/twitterfall-makes-it-onto-telegraph-newsroom-screens/" target="_blank">away from the Twitterfall graphic projected on the wall</a> &#8211; sifting through the details of thousands upon thousands of supermarket, DIY store and restaurant receipts and other documents.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s got all the ingredients for the heroic hack flick: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/may/23/john-wick-expenses-scandal" target="_blank">the furtive deal</a> with the middle man and the original whistleblower, for an undisclosed sum (no doubt to be revealed in Lewis&#8217; or possibly Ben Brogan&#8217;s memoirs), at one point rumoured to be £300,000.</p>
<p>While this whole expose &#8211; <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/" target="_blank">the &#8216;Expenses Files&#8217;</a> as the Telegraph first called it &#8211; is most definitely built on a film-like fantasy, it is grounded in career-breaking political change, <a href="http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/editors/2009/06/08/a-triumph-for-journalism-mps-expenses-debate-at-the-frontline-club-730pm-gmt/" target="_blank">and last night&#8217;s audience at the Frontline Club for a debate on the paper&#8217;s handling of the stories</a>, got a little insight into the process; a rare chance, as the paper has mainly been very quiet on just how it&#8217;s done it.</p>
<p>The &#8216;consequences were massively in the public interest,&#8217; argued the Telegraph&#8217;s assistant editor, Andrew Pierce, who popped up on BBC Breakfast news this morning as well. &#8220;It was brilliant, brilliant old fashioned journalism (&#8230;) at its finest.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s so exciting &#8211; you were aware you had stuff, it was going to change things, and boy it has&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Of course it&#8217;s been terrific for the circulation &#8211; we&#8217;re a newspaper and we&#8217;re there to make sales.&#8221;</p>
<p>According to Pierce, 240 broadsheet pages covering the story have been published so far.</p>
<p>&#8220;So far we&#8217;ve published one correction: we got a house mixed up. I&#8217;d say in terms of journalism that ain&#8217;t a bad ratio.&#8221;</p>
<p>That was disputed by one member of last night&#8217;s panel, Stephen Tall, editor-at-large for the <a href="http://www.libdemvoice.org" target="_blank">Liberal Democrat Voice website</a>; he&#8217;s unlikely to get a cameo as it would rather spoil the plot.</p>
<p>Tall&#8217;s complaint was that three stories on Liberal Democrats have been misrepresented in separate stories and received insufficient apology; something Journalism.co.uk will follow up on elsewhere, once we&#8217;ve moved on from this romanticised big screen analogy.</p>
<p>Back to the glory: Pierce described how journalists from around the world had been to peek at the unfolding scene of action &#8211; they&#8217;ve had camera crews from Turkey, Thailand and China, in for visits, he said.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a &#8217;sense of astonishment&#8217;, he added. &#8216;They thought quaint old Britain&#8217;, the mother of all democracies, &#8216;was squeaky clean.&#8217;</p>
<p>The story, Pierce claimed, &#8216;has reverberated all the way around the world&#8217;. &#8220;We actually are going to get this sorted out. Were MPs really able to set their own pay levels? Their own expenses levels? And it was all tax free.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8216;Old-fashioned journalism lives on&#8217; has become the war cry of the Telegraph <a href="http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2009/07/graydon200907" target="_blank">and its champions</a>, in defence of the manner in which it acquired and dealt with the data.</p>
<p>For raw blogging it is not. Any CAR is kept secret in-house. Sharing the process? Pah! This is as far away from a Jarvian vision of <a href="http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/06/07/processjournalism/" target="_blank">journalism built-in-beta</a> as you can imagine. While other news operations &#8211; the Telegraph&#8217;s own included &#8211; increasingly open up the inner workings (former Telegraph editor Martin Newland&#8217;s team at The National in Abu Dhabi <a href="http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/editors/2009/06/08/independentcouk-is-martin-newland-stepping-down-as-the-nationals-editor-already/" target="_blank">tweeted live from a significant meeting yesterday morning)</a> not a social media peep comes from the bunker till the paper arrives back from the printers.</p>
<p>There might be little teasers on the site with which to taunt their rivals, but for the full meaty, pictorial evidence it&#8217;s paper first, online second. Rivals, Pierce said, have to &#8216;wait for the second edition before they rip it off&#8217;.</p>
<p>Nobody has it confirmed how much they officially coughed up for the story &#8211; &#8216;we don&#8217;t use the words bought or paid,&#8217; said Pierce. Though last night&#8217;s host, Guardian blogger and journalism professor Roy Greenslade, twice slipped in a speculative reference to £75,000, Pierce refused to be drawn.</p>
<p>&#8220;Fleet Street has existed for years on leaks,&#8221; said Pierce, as justification. &#8220;We will stick to our guns (&#8230;) and not discuss whether money changed hands.&#8221;</p>
<p>Enter the hard done by heroine of the piece: <a href="http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/editors/2009/05/15/heather-brooke-thanks-the-speaker-for-making-my-career-alan-keen-update/" target="_blank">Heather Brooke</a>. Much lauded and widely respected freedom of information campaigner, she and other journalists &#8211; one from the Sunday Telegraph (Ben Leapman); one from the Times (Jonathan Ungoed-Thomas) &#8211; did the mind-numbingly boring hours of Freedom of Information requests and tedious legal battles over several years, only to lose the scoop to a chequebook.</p>
<p>Will she get a part in the government-destroyed-by-dodgy-expenses film? If Independent editor, Roger Alton, was casting she certainly would. In fact, she deserves a damehood, he declared last night.</p>
<p>A member of the audience asked whether Alton would have paid for the information himself if he had had the chance. <a href="http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/editors/2009/04/03/why-the-pcc-didnt-appear-at-frontline-event-and-steve-hewletts-take-on-uk-press-regulation/" target="_blank">Unlike his last foray to the Frontline</a>, the Independent editor knew he was being filmed this time. A pause for ethical reflection before he answered, then:</p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8217;ve barely got enough money to cover a football match for Queens Park Rangers. Take a wild guess! Any journalist would cut off their left arm and pickle it in balsamic vinegar!&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a yes then, we presume.</p>
<p>Apparently, Sun editor Rebekah Wade turned it down after being told there wasn&#8217;t much chance of a <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/02/jacqui-smith-resignation" target="_blank">Jacqui Smith style porn revelation</a> or a cabinet resignation. &#8220;She asked &#8216;would this bring down a cabinet minster?&#8217; And she was told it wouldn&#8217;t,&#8221; claimed Pierce. How wrong the data tout(s) were about their own stuff.</p>
<p>More embarrassing for the Telegraph, though Pierce said he knew nothing of it, was Brooke&#8217;s revelation that the Sunday Telegraph had refused to back their man financially, <a href="http://www.yrtk.org/2008/victory-is-mine/" target="_blank">a case which Brooke, Leapman and Ungoed-Thomas finally won</a> in the High Court &#8211; the judge ordered disclosure of all receipts and claims of the 14 MPs in original requests, along with the addresses of their second homes.</p>
<p><em><strong>Update</strong>: <a href="https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=917932169846040654&amp;postID=7949525549481597530&amp;pli=1" target="_blank">Ben Leapman responds</a> on Jon Slattery&#8217;s blog here: &#8220;I never asked my employer to pay for a lawyer because I took the view that journalists ought, in principle, be able to go to FoI tribunals themselves without the barrier of having to pay. I also took the view, probably rather arrogantly, that in this emerging field of law I was perfectly capable of putting the arguments directly without a lawyer.&#8221; Leapman was represented by solicitor advocate Simon McKay &#8216;very ably for no fee&#8217; in the High Court, he writes. </em></p>
<p>Publication of <em>all</em> MPs&#8217; expense claims are now forthcoming, <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/may/24/mps-expenses-freedom-information" target="_blank">after redaction</a> (&#8217;a posh word for tippexing out,&#8217; said Pierce.) In July 2008, &#8216;parliament went against the court by exempting some information &#8211; MPs&#8217; addresses &#8211; from disclosure,&#8217; <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/may/24/mps-expenses-freedom-information" target="_blank">the Guardian reported. </a></p>
<p>Now, for a name for our blockbuster. &#8216;<em>The Month Before Redaction</em>&#8216;? &#8216;<em>Bunker on Buckingham Palace Road</em>&#8216;? &#8216;<em>646 Expense Forms and a Re-shuffle</em>&#8216;? I can predict a more likely tag line at least, the now all too familiar: <em>&#8216;They said they acted within the rules&#8217;. </em></p>
<p>The ending to this expenses epic is not yet known, but there won&#8217;t be many happy endings in Parliament. Pierce promises more stories, with no firm end date, but unsurprisingly, didn&#8217;t give any hint of what lies ahead. Could an even bigger scoop be on its way? Who&#8217;s left?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Judith Townend</dc:creator>
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If you can&#8217;t make it in person, follow the MPs&#8217; expenses debate at London&#8217;s Frontline Club at 7.30pm GMT here (Monday June 8):






Have the stories been a triumph of journalism or the chequebook? Guardian blogger and journalism professor Roy Greenslade chairs the discussion. From the Frontline Blog: 
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<p>If you can&#8217;t make it in person, follow the MPs&#8217; expenses debate at London&#8217;s Frontline Club at 7.30pm GMT here (Monday June 8):</p>
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Have the stories been a triumph of journalism or the chequebook? Guardian blogger and journalism professor Roy Greenslade chairs the discussion. <a href="http://frontlineclub.com/blogs/frontline/2009/06/live-tonight-mps-expenses---a-triumph-for-journalism.html" target="_blank">From the Frontline Blog: </a></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;With each new tranche of revelations about MPs&#8217; expenses the Daily Telegraph has continued to put on sales and gained kudos for its good old fashioned journalistic scoop. With a story that has shaken Westminster to its foundations the Daily Telegraph has been able to set the news agenda, releasing its revelations ahead of the 10pm news bulletins. The daily diet of scoops is said to have boosted newspaper sales by tens of thousands and web traffic has also increased and no doubt will, in financial terms at least, justify the cost of obtaining the information. But what does the expenses scandal tell us about journalism today?</p>
<p>&#8220;On the panel we have Andrew Pierce, assistant editor at The Daily Telegraph, Stephen Tall, editor at large with the Liberal Democrat Voice, the journalist Heather Brooke, author of &#8216;Your Right to Know&#8217;  and Frontline favourte Roger Alton, the editor of The Independent.&#8221;</p>
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