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	<title>Comments on: Science journalism: a row</title>
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		<title>By: Judith Townend</title>
		<link>http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/editors/2009/07/02/science-journalism-a-row/comment-page-1/#comment-14342</link>
		<dc:creator>Judith Townend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t mean to imply you&#039;d written off the entire event, sorry... It does look like an excellent and enormous programme - I plan to do some more links/follow-up tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t mean to imply you&#8217;d written off the entire event, sorry&#8230; It does look like an excellent and enormous programme &#8211; I plan to do some more links/follow-up tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: ben goldacre</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here is our letter to the independent, which we hope they&#039;ll publish. below that is our email to the letters editor

    Dear Sir,

    Your science journalist Steve Connor is furious that we are holding a small public meeting in a pub to discuss the problem that science journalists are often lazy and inaccurate. He gets the date wrong, claiming the meeting has already happened (it has not). He says we are three medics (only one of us is). He then invokes some stereotypes about arrogant doctors, which we hope are becoming outdated.

    In fact, all three of us believe passionately in empowering patients, with good quality information, so they can make their own decisions about their health. People often rely on the media for this kind of information. Sadly, in the field of science and medicine, on subjects as diverse as MMR, sexual health, and cancer prevention, the public have been repeatedly and systematically misled by journalists.

    We now believe this poses a serious threat to public health, and it is sad to see the problem belittled in a serious newspaper. Steve Connor is very welcome to attend our meeting, which is free and open to all,

    yours

    (Drs) Vaughan Bell, Petra Boynton, Ben Goldacre



    hi guy,

    i think it would be good to print this letter from all three of us. we
    all take the issue of misleading science and health reporting very
    seriously, and feel passionately that patients and the public need to
    be well informed to make good decisions about their own health.

    unfortunately the media do often make serious errors in their coverage
    of health and science, we don’t think it is unreasonable for us to
    hold a small meeting in a pub to discuss this, and i think it’s part
    of the problem that the profession of science journalism and
    journalism generally are so unwilling to face up to the problems,
    discuss them, and engage with criticisms.

    a good example of that, sadly, was steve’s column which was, sadly,
    repeatedly factually incorrect. it talked about a meeting that hadn’t
    happened yet as if it had, it described us all as medics, which we’re
    not, and it failed to address any of our concerns about the serious
    negative impact that misleading reporting can have on public health. i
    would have hoped that this is exactly the kind of social justice and
    patient empowerment issue that the independent might take a serious
    interest in.

    i should say i like steve’s work, although we’ve never met, and
    there’s nothing personal about this, i just think it would be good if
    you could correct on ther factual inaccuracies and give us the chance
    to have a small say on such a serious issue by printing our letter.

    i’m copying in petra boynton and vaughan bell, which i hope is ok,

    ben</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here is our letter to the independent, which we hope they&#8217;ll publish. below that is our email to the letters editor</p>
<p>    Dear Sir,</p>
<p>    Your science journalist Steve Connor is furious that we are holding a small public meeting in a pub to discuss the problem that science journalists are often lazy and inaccurate. He gets the date wrong, claiming the meeting has already happened (it has not). He says we are three medics (only one of us is). He then invokes some stereotypes about arrogant doctors, which we hope are becoming outdated.</p>
<p>    In fact, all three of us believe passionately in empowering patients, with good quality information, so they can make their own decisions about their health. People often rely on the media for this kind of information. Sadly, in the field of science and medicine, on subjects as diverse as MMR, sexual health, and cancer prevention, the public have been repeatedly and systematically misled by journalists.</p>
<p>    We now believe this poses a serious threat to public health, and it is sad to see the problem belittled in a serious newspaper. Steve Connor is very welcome to attend our meeting, which is free and open to all,</p>
<p>    yours</p>
<p>    (Drs) Vaughan Bell, Petra Boynton, Ben Goldacre</p>
<p>    hi guy,</p>
<p>    i think it would be good to print this letter from all three of us. we<br />
    all take the issue of misleading science and health reporting very<br />
    seriously, and feel passionately that patients and the public need to<br />
    be well informed to make good decisions about their own health.</p>
<p>    unfortunately the media do often make serious errors in their coverage<br />
    of health and science, we don’t think it is unreasonable for us to<br />
    hold a small meeting in a pub to discuss this, and i think it’s part<br />
    of the problem that the profession of science journalism and<br />
    journalism generally are so unwilling to face up to the problems,<br />
    discuss them, and engage with criticisms.</p>
<p>    a good example of that, sadly, was steve’s column which was, sadly,<br />
    repeatedly factually incorrect. it talked about a meeting that hadn’t<br />
    happened yet as if it had, it described us all as medics, which we’re<br />
    not, and it failed to address any of our concerns about the serious<br />
    negative impact that misleading reporting can have on public health. i<br />
    would have hoped that this is exactly the kind of social justice and<br />
    patient empowerment issue that the independent might take a serious<br />
    interest in.</p>
<p>    i should say i like steve’s work, although we’ve never met, and<br />
    there’s nothing personal about this, i just think it would be good if<br />
    you could correct on ther factual inaccuracies and give us the chance<br />
    to have a small say on such a serious issue by printing our letter.</p>
<p>    i’m copying in petra boynton and vaughan bell, which i hope is ok,</p>
<p>    ben</p>
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		<title>By: ben goldacre</title>
		<link>http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/editors/2009/07/02/science-journalism-a-row/comment-page-1/#comment-14339</link>
		<dc:creator>ben goldacre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think you&#039;re stretching it a bit to say i was unhappy with the WCSJ event on investigative journalism on the basis of one tweet, i thought it was an excellent event. 

the funny thing about connor&#039;s angry column (in a national newspaper, about some people meeting in a pub, which seems a tiny bit intolerant) is that while shouting that we&#039;re not allowed to be concerned about inaccuracies in science and health reporting, he managed to get every single fact wrong. 

he said we&#039;d met the night before. in fact we hadn&#039;t even met. 

he said we were all medics. only one of us is. 

and he didn&#039;t make a single substantive point, beyond his rage about doctors.  

http://www.badscience.net/2009/07/steve-connor-is-getting-eggy/

to be honest, i think this just demonstrates once again the inability of science and health journalists to engage with the serious concerns people have about their work, which can cause great harm to public health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think you&#8217;re stretching it a bit to say i was unhappy with the WCSJ event on investigative journalism on the basis of one tweet, i thought it was an excellent event. </p>
<p>the funny thing about connor&#8217;s angry column (in a national newspaper, about some people meeting in a pub, which seems a tiny bit intolerant) is that while shouting that we&#8217;re not allowed to be concerned about inaccuracies in science and health reporting, he managed to get every single fact wrong. </p>
<p>he said we&#8217;d met the night before. in fact we hadn&#8217;t even met. </p>
<p>he said we were all medics. only one of us is. </p>
<p>and he didn&#8217;t make a single substantive point, beyond his rage about doctors.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.badscience.net/2009/07/steve-connor-is-getting-eggy/" rel="nofollow">http://www.badscience.net/2009/07/steve-connor-is-getting-eggy/</a></p>
<p>to be honest, i think this just demonstrates once again the inability of science and health journalists to engage with the serious concerns people have about their work, which can cause great harm to public health.</p>
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