Comments on: The Jobless Journalist: Week three – To sub or not to sub? http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/2009/09/15/the-jobless-journalist-week-three-to-sub-or-not-to-sub/ Online journalism news Tue, 24 Jan 2012 19:16:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: The Jobless Journalist: Week four – Are subbing and reporting roles merging into one? | Journalism.co.uk Editors' Blog http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/2009/09/15/the-jobless-journalist-week-three-to-sub-or-not-to-sub/comment-page-1/#comment-18045 The Jobless Journalist: Week four – Are subbing and reporting roles merging into one? | Journalism.co.uk Editors' Blog Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:37:35 +0000 http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/editors/?p=14041#comment-18045 [...] week I blogged about whether you should apply for subbing jobs if you’re a reporter or a features [...] [...] week I blogged about whether you should apply for subbing jobs if you’re a reporter or a features [...]

]]> By: Journalist, train thyself! Online needs you… desperately! « Subs’ Standards http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/2009/09/15/the-jobless-journalist-week-three-to-sub-or-not-to-sub/comment-page-1/#comment-17990 Journalist, train thyself! Online needs you… desperately! « Subs’ Standards Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:26:19 +0000 http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/editors/?p=14041#comment-17990 [...] 21, 2009 · Leave a Comment A few days ago I was asked by The Jobless Journalist about the merging of reporting and subbing in an online environment… and should s/he as a [...] [...] 21, 2009 · Leave a Comment A few days ago I was asked by The Jobless Journalist about the merging of reporting and subbing in an online environment… and should s/he as a [...]

]]> By: The Jobless Journalist http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/2009/09/15/the-jobless-journalist-week-three-to-sub-or-not-to-sub/comment-page-1/#comment-17839 The Jobless Journalist Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:37:06 +0000 http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/editors/?p=14041#comment-17839 Hi Russell, Thanks for your comments. I think an important point you make is about leaving enough time for reporting and features work (which I also find infinitely more interesting than subbing) rather than finding yourself locked into a full-time subbing job. Also - I know there has traditionally been a divide between reportes and subs (I've heard of papers where they even choose to drink in separate pubs), but this gap seems to be closing as a 'concertina effect' becomes more commonplace, ie the two roles are merging into one. The Jobless Journalist Hi Russell,

Thanks for your comments. I think an important point you make is about leaving enough time for reporting and features work (which I also find infinitely more interesting than subbing) rather than finding yourself locked into a full-time subbing job.

Also – I know there has traditionally been a divide between reportes and subs (I’ve heard of papers where they even choose to drink in separate pubs), but this gap seems to be closing as a ‘concertina effect’ becomes more commonplace, ie the two roles are merging into one.

The Jobless Journalist

]]> By: Russell http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/2009/09/15/the-jobless-journalist-week-three-to-sub-or-not-to-sub/comment-page-1/#comment-17827 Russell Wed, 16 Sep 2009 07:09:33 +0000 http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/editors/?p=14041#comment-17827 ... though not to the point of not proofing comments on journalism.co.uk ... lol … though not to the point of not proofing comments on journalism.co.uk … lol

]]> By: Russell http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/2009/09/15/the-jobless-journalist-week-three-to-sub-or-not-to-sub/comment-page-1/#comment-17826 Russell Wed, 16 Sep 2009 07:08:16 +0000 http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/editors/?p=14041#comment-17826 Technically, subbing is still journalism. You're absolutely right that experience of subbing sharpens one's own writing. However, if you already have 12 months of experience subbing, do you really NEED more?and Why also is your thinking so 2-D? Why not sub as a freelancer and aim to fill enough time in the month to cover your mortgage and council tax bills - leaving enough space to stay hungry for reporting or features work? You won't find PAYE security in the world of journalism, even if you do land a salaried job. The sooner this is accepted, the clearer the options become. I'm grateful for the subbing experience I gained in my journalism "career" but really don't want to do it very much. Researching and telling stories is infinitely preferable to merely polishing them in "the back room" (where most of the residual PAYE and freelance jobs remain). Technically, subbing is still journalism. You’re absolutely right that experience of subbing sharpens one’s own writing. However, if you already have 12 months of experience subbing, do you really NEED more?and

Why also is your thinking so 2-D? Why not sub as a freelancer and aim to fill enough time in the month to cover your mortgage and council tax bills – leaving enough space to stay hungry for reporting or features work?

You won’t find PAYE security in the world of journalism, even if you do land a salaried job. The sooner this is accepted, the clearer the options become.

I’m grateful for the subbing experience I gained in my journalism “career” but really don’t want to do it very much. Researching and telling stories is infinitely preferable to merely polishing them in “the back room” (where most of the residual PAYE and freelance jobs remain).

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